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July 10, 2006

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Shmarya, isn't that similar to the scam you and your wife pulled?

Shmarya

No, she was only 12 1/2 at the time, and the benfits really sucked.

you married a 12 1/2 year old girl? Are you a pedophile?

Isa

If you can document it, it will be Welfare fraud!
The authorities would be VERY interested.

Shmarya

"you married a 12 1/2 year old girl? Are you a pedophile?"

Depends how you view it. I was 13 years and one day old.

Schneur

Scams of similar kinds in the Charedi community have been going on for 20 years. Marriages are religious only , hence the future mothers and babies are entitled to all sorts of public assistance.
On the flip side a HS diploma is valuable for these girls in getting jobs , so I am not certain which communities have done away with partso f Hs, but in reading DER YID for years now, I have seen such announcements. But truth be told there are even a few chassidic seminaries for girls offering some form of post hS education in terms of training as teachers, mothers and bread winners.
In addition the community does not want its girls single or just married working in non-Charedi offices or plants. hence a HS diploma becomes even less of a necessity.
The Charedi community is involved in many such "scams". they may be perfectly legal in secular terms , but I wonder how halacha and Mussar view them ??

Shmuel

"They (Charedi scams) may be perfectly legal in secular terms..."
Only if you're a lawbreaking Charedi could you possibly argue that. Consider: they marry but never inform the authorities that they're MARRIED, thus they are by no means "unwed" mothers. Next, they knowingly and fraudulently file for benefits which they're not entitled to. Finally, they get the most illegal benefits they can, by not "graduating" from HS. Only Charedim could cook up a scam like this. I'm glad to be part of the "Am Hanivchar." What a sad, sick joke we've become. All appearance, no substance. No morals. No ethics. No integrity. We were "chosen" to cheat the gentiles out of their money because some rabbis, somewhere, in a fit of rage against I don't know who, decided that cheating goyim is a-ok. So the charedi zombies fall into line. I want out of this ridiculous religion NOW.

D

It's stories like these that converted me from being a bleeding-heart liberal to a small-government libertarian many years ago.

Yochanan Lavie

D: Me Too!

Shmarya

A well-connected friend in NY checked this out for me. Sadly, this appears to be a real, currently operating, widespread scam.

Schneur

Shmuel. I think you are misunderstanding me . I agree with everything you wrote including the tone.The KEY word in my note was MAY even if thay are AT TIMES within the law they are against the spirit of the Jewish tradition.
But I am as much frustrated by this behavior as you are.

Check the facts

Guys:Calm down,will you!
The welfare law pushed by the Clinton administration allows a max of five years on public assistance cash benefits.(food stamps and Medicaid, the state medical health insurance are not included)Therefore there is little to gain by this fraud.I live in Brooklyn and find it very difficult to believe that this is widespread in the chasidic community in Williamsburg, where I work.

Stan

The "facts" are slightly distorted. The schools indeed end after eleventh grade. However this is after the recent addition of that grade. Many Chasidic girls' schools end after tenth grade, as they see no need for extended education. No job a graduate might want requires a H.S. diploma. So if they really don't want a degree and really don't have one, why is that part of it fraud?

moshe

Talking about scams, is it true Cunin is building a big mansion in Brentwood, and if so, is it with telethon money, or is he exorbitiantly paid by the community?

Anon

Moshe: I heard that the Money goes to Rabbi Cunin for spending at his discretion mainly will go to Westwood & Brentwood where ties to the Rebbe Moshiach Cunin are strong. Probably true what you wrote.

RHYO

there are so many jews and russian jews scam welfare today dont they ever do anything now to crack it down ?!

sam

its A DAM DISCRACE THEY SHOULD ALL BE LOCKED UP UNDER THE STINKING JAIL I MEAN COME AN HERE NOW YOU KNOW WHY EVERYTHING GOES UP HERE AND WHEN thoes whom are disabled and CANT WORK THEN THEY CANT GET IT ~ WELFARE SHOULD BE ONLY FOR DISABLED PEOPLE OR PEOPLE WHOM emergency DONT HAVE JOBS ~ for temporary and quit it immediately AND NOT LIE ABOUT IT like have 5 12 kids to go on it or other scams ~ MEANWHILE ITS NOT LIKE THAT PEOPLE STAY ON IT TEMPORARLY THEN QUIT IT NO... BUT REMAIN ON IT NOW AS FOR TYPES THAT LIE LIKE THIS THAT THEY CAN WORK ~ they should ban welfare IT IS ABSOLUTELY DISCUSTING THEY SHOULD LOCK THEM UP ~ they lie ~ lay back and do nothing and we haft to pay for it!

You make me Puke

All the nigroes eat up the charedi tax money by the BILLIONS why can't we retain a couple million of OUR tax money for US.

i hate lubabs

only lubabs produce such hateful people as shmarya (and saudis)

zzzzzzzz

what charedi tax money?
its certainly not billions.
charedi are net-users of tax money is greater proportion than any other ethnic group in the united states.

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