Bias In Lakewood

A 15-year-old black male, and honors student at Lakewood's high school, takes a shortcut through a path on private property in a largely haredi section of town. The path is not labeled as private, and there are no "No Trespassing!" signs. A resident – not the property owner, it seems – warns the youth, tries to photograph him and then beats him as a crowd of haredi men rush out of an adjacent synagogue and help with the beating, uttering racial slurs and warning the youth to stay away from the "Jewish" part of town.

Police arrive on the scene and arrest the haredi attacker. The town's NAACP chapter wants the attacker charged with a bias crime, which would carry a more severe penalty that the simple assault he is charged with. They also want the haredi onlookers who facilitated the beating to be charged. The youth says what he wants most is an apology from those men. Police say they cannot locate or identify those men, and prosecutors refuse to add bias charges.

Yet Lakewood's haredi mayor offers to arrange a private apology from those men to the black youth if the matter can be kept out of the courts. The NAACP wants to know how the mayor can do that if the police don't know who those men are – obviously, the NAACP says, the mayor does know the identities of some or all of the men.

If he does, but does not tell police and prosecutors, he has committed a crime and should be charged and removed from office. But if the mayor follows the law he is elected to uphold, and gives those names to police and prosecutors, he has, according to the normative haredi interpretation, transgressed the halakha (Jewish law) against mesira, informing.

Questions:

1. What should the mayor do?
2. Can an Orthodox Jew hold elected position when that position requires him to uphold local, state or federal law, when that law may conflict with Torah law?
3. Does the haredi desire to protect their communities, admirable and necessary as that often is, justify gratuitous violence?
4. If a 15-year-old yeshiva student took a shortcut through black-owned property and as a result was beaten by blacks who rushed out of a black community center, and was warned to stay away from black neighborhoods, and had antisemitic insults hurled at him, would we view it as a bias crime?
5. If the black mayor made a private offer to facilitate an apology from black men the black police somehow could not locate, would we demand the immediate removal of the mayor for failure to enforce and uphold the law?

What do you think?

[Hat Tip: Nigratude Ultramarine.]

Comments

"If a 15-year-old yeshiva student took a shortcut through black-owned property and as a result was beaten by blacks who rushed out of a black community center, and was warned to stay away from black neighborhoods, and had antisemitic insults hurled at him, would we view it as a bias crime?"

Happens all the time. What? are you really that thick? Breaking the windows of Jewish
owned stores, beatings, muggings. And dont respond by saying this kid is an honor student and not a criminal blah blah, you didnt ask if he deserved to get beaten you ask if it was a Jewish student, and right or wrong it happened alot back in the 60's only now they pissed off Jews to the point that now they are returning a lot of remembered indignities when it does happen.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

Happens all the time. What? are you really that thick? Breaking the windows of Jewish
owned stores, beatings, muggings.

Who says they are targeting people because they are Jewish?

Anyway, this is a case where a cheder rabbi and a group of seminary committed a racially inspired attack upon a youth. I cannot of think of a single instance in modern day America where the members of a Christian seminary and a teacher of religion in a Christian school collaborated to attack a kid because he had the temerity to walk on someone's lawn.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

"Here's a 15-year-old boy who was held down by a crowd using racial slurs, spitting at him and kicking him in the teeth"

This is really vile. This is not something that "religious" people do.

[Modern Jew]

There is a parallel to this and the Goldstein Massacre at Hebron-Change the collar, race and or reglion of the attacker and attackee and people's position changes.

The Haredi were wrong. The FBI should investigate and indict the ringleaders.

Its interesting that the Haredi have become the kind of people that there ancestors left Eastern Europe to escape from.

[Yochanan Lavie]

"Its interesting that the Haredi have become the kind of people that there ancestors left Eastern Europe to escape from."

Why is that so?

Is it a legacy from Kahanism? Racism? Extreme seperation? Maybe someone can answer that question.

[truthteller]

this of course ignores the context of the recent rape in lakewood, which might have angered and upset people.

but of course keeping that in mind would require some compassion for other jews, a quality sadly defunct here.

many such incidents have happened to Jews in their own communities, where are the cries for every black man who participated in the crown heights pogrom to be charged with a bias crime?

[truthteller]

meanwhile for anyone who was interested, this is what actually happened

"This past Thursday, a local frum homeowner who has a respected position in a local cheder noticed a large black man in his backyard. He went out to ask him what he was doing there. When he failed to get a satisfactory answer, and the guy didn't seem in a hurry to leave, he used his cellphone to snap a picture of the guy.

The guy, upset at being photographed, smacked the camera out of the homeowner's hand. The homeowner decided this guy was out of control. He pinned the guy down, and yelled for anyone to call the cops.

The cops came, but they arrested the homeowner for "Unlawful Restraint" of the tresspasser! And the tresspasser who turned out to be a minor was let go!!!"

[truthteller]

and further...

"There were a few black kids who stole bikes from Jewish kidfs that were learning at Kol Shimshon . At the same time Rabbi Zimmerman noticed another black kid on Kol Shimshons property . He told him it was private property and when he didnt leave he started snapping his picture with his cell phone . The Kid who is huge , punched Rabbi Z and knocked his cell phone down and tried to break it . Rabbi Z then put him into a lock and called for others to get Shomrim and call 911 to arrest him . It took a few calls anda lot of time for the police to respond . When they did instead of arresting the hoodlum ,you can read the results in the APP article posted in the last comment . I think this story speaks for itself as to our situation regarding hoe law abidibg citizens are treated by the Lakewood Police"

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

this of course ignores the context of the recent rape in lakewood, which might have angered and upset people.

So of course kicking a youth in the teeth is an appropriate response.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

The guy, upset at being photographed, smacked the camera out of the homeowner's hand. The homeowner decided this guy was out of control. He pinned the guy down, and yelled for anyone to call the cops....

This is not an eyewitness account. This was lifted from Kollel Wife.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

but of course keeping that in mind would require some compassion for other jews, a quality sadly defunct here.

You mean compassion for a mob of "religious" people abusing a kid.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

I think this story speaks for itself as to our situation regarding hoe law abidibg citizens are treated by the Lakewood Police

Law abiding? Are you kidding me? The "rabbi" was arrested from unlawfully detaining a youth.

There is, of course another possibility. The mayor does not know who did it, but has been told by legal counsel (or others) that a meeting and apology can be arraigned if the charges are dropped.

This scenario is far more likely than the one which assumes that the persons involved are so ignorant of the law and devoid of counsel that they would reveal their identities to the mayor of the town.

As for the slanderous proposition that Charedim are becoming what their ancestors fled from in Eastern Europe, Charedim fled fron pogroms and gas chambers, not an isolated incident, where the first person to where nobody was seriously injured.

[truthteller]

it's the other side of the story... the side you didn't want to print

the fact of the matter is that a homeowner detained a kid who trespassing on his property after that kid may have assaulted him with the help of others

you can hatefully transform this into claims about a mob attacking him, but all the mob did was hold Jamarr down and all Jamarr suffered was cuts and bruises

if someone ventures on your property and then attacks you, I think you would agree you have the right to defend yourself and detain him

There is, of course another possibility. The mayor does not know who did it, but has been told by legal counsel (or others) that a meeting and apology can be arraigned if the charges are dropped.

This scenario is far more likely than the one which assumes that the persons involved are so ignorant of the law and devoid of counsel that they would reveal their identities to the mayor of the town.

As for the slanderous proposition that Charedim are becoming what their ancestors fled from in Eastern Europe, Charedim fled fron pogroms and gas chambers, not an isolated incident, where nobody was seriously injured.

In the maentime, the police and the Ocean County Prosecutor have determined that no hate crim was committed, at latest in a legal sense, which may be somewhat different then the question as to whether the same thing have happened if the youth were Jewish, which it of course would not.

In addition, the person charged with simple assault says that he was the victim of an asault. Obviously, the police disagree, but we have not yet moved to the point in this country that a mere arrest on a simple assault charge is sufficent to covict, even (Hope fully) in the blog world.

[Yochanan Lavie]

No doubt chareidim suffer from violent crimes, just like everyone else. Furthermore, their visible Jewishness makes them targets of bias crimes, or non-bias crimes where anti-Semitism is an additional incentive. No doubt there is a segment of the African-American community that is anti-White and anti-Semitic (a fringe element, but it does exist). However, bad behavior does not justify more bad behavior. Vigilantism is not the answer, nor is racism. I carry no brief for thugs of any race. But I expect more from my bretheren (idealistic fool that I am).

[Mike (mikhoelmeir)]

I have no idea what happened and can't comment on the case--whether it occurred as Shmarya and Ultramine report, based on the article in Asbury Park Press, or if there was more nuance to the incident, as some suggest. Whatever the case, it must and should be investigated and the Lakewood should cooperate with the authorities. On the other hand, and just in general, though I regard myself as politically liberal (as opposed to libertarian) I have a huge problem with the whole notion of bias crime legislation, which has become a sacred cow amongst many liberals, and has even become enacted in most states. I understand the reason, it's a deterrent. But why should someone, anyone be prosecuted more harshly because they may have uttered something racist , or anti-Semitic, or anti-gay at the victim when they were commiting the crime?! If I am attacked and assaulted, beaten or robbed, and the attacker yells at me "Dirty Kike!" while commiting the crime, --I want him prosecuted for hurting me, not for hurting my feelings! People should have a right to be racist or antisemitic if they want. I think that if KKK, for instance burn a cross, in full view of a Jewish or black family's house, they could be prosecuted for harassment, invasion of privacy,etc., without being accused of "bias". Sure, they have bias, people have a right to be biased, they don't have a right to assault or harrass others. I am really annoyed by this farce going on Howard Beach, Queens, with this "Fat Nick" guy being prosecuted for using the "n" word when he attacked a black guy. What BS! Prosecute him for the attack itself-whether he is a racist or not should be irrelevant to the case! Sorry for soapboxing and digressing.

[truthteller]

a vigelante goes on attacks outside his property, taking a picture of someone trespassing on your property is not the act of a vigelante, just someone being vigilant

[Yochanan Lavie]

taking a picture of someone trespassing on your property is not the act of a vigelante, just someone being vigilant

Yes, I agree with you there. When you beat someone mercilessly (as opposed to simply restraining them, or even hitting back in self-defense)- that's vigilantism!

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

a vigelante goes on attacks outside his property, taking a picture of someone trespassing on your property is not the act of a vigelante, just someone being vigilant

You left out the part where a "religious" person and apparent hothead kicked a kid in the teeth with the help of a mob of seminary students.

I bet Rabbi Zimmerman is someone who is really careful about covering the challah before making kiddush on שבת. After all, we wouldn't want to embarrass the challah. Kicking a kid in the teeth? Why, that's "glatt kosher."

[Yochanan Lavie]

Nigritude Ultramarine: You said it better. Chazak ubaruch.

I bet Rabbi Zimmerman is someone who is really careful about covering the challah before making kiddush on שבת. After all, we wouldn't want to embarrass the challah. Kicking a kid in the teeth? Why, that's "glatt kosher."

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glatt kosher DARK meat that is.

[hashfanatic]

They hate the blacks passionately and, while simultaneously needing them around to boost their own relative position within the larger society, cannot come to terms with the fact that they have to share the community in peace.

This is nothing new.

The virulence, obnoxiousness, and total lack of any sort of authority in dealing with this lawlessness is-on all sides.

The prevailing attitude amongst everyday non-Jews is, let them kill each other off.

[Neo-Conservaguy]

Perhaps the saddest thing is that the truth - what actually happened - most likely lies in between the two extreme accounts. In other words, everyone is at least exaggerating, and at worst lying about what occurred. It's the level of violence involved that seems to taint the Charedim in this case, not who's account of what started it one believes.

[truthteller]

the asbury park story said he had only minor cuts and bruises

so much for that severe beating. When a mob beats you, you wind up with a lot worse than that.

I can see why this blog doesn't believe in lashon hara. It allows its denizens to make up the most outrageous lies so long as they're about jews.

[truthteller]

one more thing

you people get on your high horse about bigotry when you're the worse bigots at all spewing hatefull rhetoric about Rabbi Zimmerman and the Jews of Lakewood, for no other reason than that they represent a religious and cultural lifestyle you despise and can't abide

if this attitude was directed at black people, you could be justly accused of the kind of bigotry you transpose onto lakewood's jews

[Neandershort]

1. Good fences make good neighbors. If the property (we don't seem to know if it was R. Zimmerman's backyard or property belonging to Kol Shimshon) had been marked and "No Trespassing" signs posted, the whole thing probably would not have happened.

2. We need to rethink the concept of mesirah. It was developed in societies where tyrants singled out Jews for special taxation and other persecution. A society where we are equal before the law is a "novus ordo seclorum," a new order of the ages, beyond anything any rishon or acharon ever dreamed of. If "Mayor Meir" knows the identities of people who aided and abetted an assault, spewing racial epithets in the process, and does not inform the police, he should not be mayor.

3. If the kid had been a yeshiva student with a black hat and peyos cutting across private property, would R. Zimmerman's reaction have been the same? Why the assumption that the black kid was up to no good? What does the fact that someone in Lakewood was raped have to do with anything? Did the kid match a description of the rapist other than "black male?" Face it, we all grew up hearing derogatory remarks about "shvartzes" in our homes. We drank in racist poison with our mothers' milk and it will take some effort on our part to excise it.

[truthteller]

1. anyone who lived or spent time regularly in the area as that kid did knew it was private property. his admitted reaction to prevent his picture from being taken makes it obvious he was involved in illegal activity.

2. the only assault was on a trespasser against a property owner, the kid was not assaulted by a mob, he was restrained by one. the so-called racial epithets are entirely irrelevant.

3. playing what if is a silly and pointless game with no available answer and not of use in a legal case

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

the kid was not assaulted by a mob, he was restrained by one

Why then did Lichtenstein tell people that he could round up other people to make a private apology?

Still and all, it is an undeniable fact that the hot-headed "rabbi" was charged with assault. I mean the police saw him kneeling on the back of a 15-year-old.

Let's hope "rabbi" Zimmerman is not allowed around children anymore at the cheder.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

if this attitude was directed at black people, you could be justly accused of the kind of bigotry you transpose onto lakewood's jews

Unlike you and your ilk, I judge people by their actions -- not their skin color.

[red]

What does 2 schvartzes on one bike mean?
A Jewish kid is going to have his bike stolen.

[Neandershort]

That sounds like a bad joke. Two people on a bike means simply two people on a bike - unsafe but not necessarily in indication of criminal intent. Anyway, according to the original post the boy was not on a bike. He was walking alone.

[truthteller]

a 15 year old isn't a 4 year old. a 15 year old is not a child and 15 year olds regularly commit violent crimes.

if a 15 year old trespasses on your property and attacks you, then you have every right to restrain him. anyone claiming otherwise is proposing that people should be able to invade your property, attack you and you're to blame if you restrain them till the police arrive.

as for the police charging lichtenstein, that's the typical politically correct enforcement we've been seeing since the 70's where the criminals are the victims and if you defend yourself against a criminal, you're the one who goes to jail, e.g. Bernard Goetz

[Neandershort]

15-yr-olds regularly commit violent crimes, as I know only too well being a teacher in a public school. I have been a victim in cases where I almost got in trouble for defending myself - "corporal punishment." A 15-yr-old is a child in the eyes of the law, and if a kid threatens me and I jump him after school I will both lose my job and be in trouble with the law for endangering the welfare of a minor. My understanding of the law is that if anybody, child or adult, trespasses on your property you may use REASONABLE force to restrain him until police arrive. Could we have a criminal attorney clarify this here?

[tuthteller]

and certainly if that 15 year old assaulted you, then you have the right to call for help and to restrain him

[Bozoer Rebbe]

Neandershort, don't you know that frum people can't do anything wrong?

Truthteller, so when a rebbe smacks a kid in a yeshiva and the kid calls 911 you want everyone to hold the rebbe down and kick him until the police arrive?

[hashfanatic]

".....compassion for other jews, a quality sadly defunct here...."

Is that "compassion", or simply getting carried away in one's own self-indulgence?

[Amanda Rush]

I don't know how things are in Lakewood, but where I live, I have every right within the law to restrain someone for trespassing on my property, and if someone smacks a phone out of my hand, after having already trespassed, it's assault on their part, not mine for restraining the trespasser. If the 15-year-old wasn't doing anything wrong, then why didn't he just announce who he was and that he was just passing through? It's all well and good for everybody to cry racism, but the fact is that an overwhelming number of violent crimes are committed by young black males, and I'd say that knocking a phone out of someone's hand on that someone's private property is reason enough to assume that the possibility existed that the teen was headed toward introducing more violence into the situation. What's the home-owner supposed to do, stand there and go "well kid, even though you just assaulted me, how about I invite you in for milk and cookies?" Quite frankly, the kid's lucky he was able to walk away with minor cuts and bruises. Hopefully he'll think next time before being a smart ass while trespassing on someone else's property.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

I have every right within the law to restrain someone for trespassing on my property....

What? Are you going to restrain an 11-year-old for walking on your lawn? If so,enjoy your stay in the "child molester" section of prison.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

Quite frankly, the kid's lucky he was able to walk away with minor cuts and bruises.

Ooooh! Big tough people beating up kids.

[truthteller]

We're not talking about an 11 year old but a large 15 year old teenager who trespassed on private property in an area where crimes are regularly committed and knocked away the cell phone of a man who tried to take away his picture.

He was not attacked and suffered nothing but cuts and bruises from being restrained.

This thread wouldn't even exist except for the rampant hatred of this blog's denizens for religious Jews. It's like trying to reason with Stormfronters.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

We're not talking about an 11 year old

No kidding. I guess reading comprehension is not your forte.

but a large 15 year old teenager who

Oooh, a large minor. That "rabbi" sure is a manly man.

trespassed on private property in an area where crimes are regularly committed and knocked away the cell phone of a man who tried to take away his picture.

The kid did nothing wrong, that's why the police didn't charge him with a crime.

He was not attacked and suffered nothing but cuts and bruises from being restrained.

From an adult man whom the police charged with assault.

[Neandershort]

Nigritude -
A large minor indeed. I have had 15-yr-old students who tower over me (5'6", 150lb) and I've been threatened by some of them (I wear my kippa in school but my black colleagues have been treated the same way by the same troublemakers). They test you, and forget about teaching them anything if they perceive you as being physically afraid of them.
Knocking a phone out of the hand of a man on whose property you are already trespassing is in itself an act of violence, but the police probably didn't charge the boy with a crime because it wouldn't stick, given that he was a minor. That is the inherent contradiction when dealing with adolescents in our society; they can commit violence but you are restrained in your legal options. It is mirrored in halakha: heresh shote v'katan pegiatam ra,. . .
I think a lot of this intergroup tension could be avoided if yeshivot would train their students in martial arts. If our kids (and adults) were confident in their ability to protect themselves should the need arise they would be less fearful and wouldn't automatically perceive any black male as a threat. And if the fighting skills that seem to come so naturally to others have to be taught to us, so be it. That's the difference between Eisav and Ya'akov and we wouldn't have it any other way.

[hashfanatic]

True, as far as teaching how to defend yourself.

But the extremists will never approve it.

They have far more invested in terrifying the community and undermining any confidence observant Jews may have about dealing with everyday street maumauing and intimidation, simply because they have a message of arrogance and racial superiority to push, and services of protection to sell them.

That's how the Kahanists got started.

[truthteller]

ever get mugged by a 15 year old? people have been stabbed by 15 year olds too. Repeating parroting that he's a minor doesn't change that fact. The teenager in question was bigger than the Rabbi was. And that's a fact.

The Rabbi restrained him. The only thing the teenager suffered was minor cuts and bruises. That is not consistent with a beating. And those are the facts.

The teenager did indeed do something wrong. He trespassed on private property and assaulted a homeowner who tried to take a picture of him. The latter strongly indicates he was out there for criminal reasons.

The police arrested the victim but that's often how it happens with politically correct policing around minorities. Again remember Bernard Goetz.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

The only thing the teenager suffered was minor cuts and bruises.

You might think a bruise is a minor thing, but the Torah doesn't -- see Shmos 21:25.

That is not consistent with a beating.

According to Rashi it is: היא מכה שהדם נצרר בה.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

The police arrested the victim but that's often how it happens with politically correct policing around minorities.

The "rabbi" can still file a complaint at the police station. I bet he doesn't.

[Amanda Rush]

Let me get this straight, Nigritude.
If a minor trespasses on private property, (which is a crime), and I reatrain said minor, then I'm a child molester?
Please do me the favor of getting down off your self-righteous soap box.
If that kid, (and I don't give a damn what color his skin is), had announced himself, and what he was doing on the property, and the owner had still restrained him, then you'd be right to say the owner's behavior was unreasonable to say the least.
But since when did it become an obligation to just stand by and let someone do whatever after they've already committed one crime by being on your property illegally, and then showed a propensity for violence by knocking a cell phone out of your hand while you tried to take his picture?
What exactly do you expect people to do?
I don't care what the kid's grades are or anything like that.
He had no business being where he was, and the whole thing could have been avoided if he had simply been up front with the home owner instead of acting like he was there for some other reason than just innocently passing through.
The way I see it, if the kid's so smart, then he'll consider it a lesson learned for later life.

[Yochanan Lavie]

There are 3 seperate threads here:
1. What actually happened in Lakewood & who was to blame. (Which we will never know because we weren't there).

2. What constitutes self-defense against an adolescent- from a legal, moral, and halachic point of view. (A debatable point, in which people of good will can disagree).

3. Jewish racism and Black criminality (both exist, but obviously not all Jews are racist and not all African-Americans are criminals.)

These are very emotional issues, and I'm afriad the waters have gotten a bit muddy here. Truthteller is also trying to indict this blog as being full of self-hating Jews, which is yet another emotional issue. (I disagree- we just want a better, more open frum community). To the extent that it's humanly possible- let's stick to logic. Just a thought...

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

If a minor trespasses on private property, (which is a crime), and I reatrain said minor, then I'm a child molester?

No one said that. Give reading comprehension a try.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

What exactly do you expect people to do?

Don't fight children. Retreat and call the police.

[Amanda Rush]

Nigritude:

You said: "What? Are you going to restrain an 11-year-old for walking on your lawn? If so,enjoy your stay in the "child molester" section of prison.." Exactly how is that supposed to be interpreted? Try rereading what you wrote before you advise others to give reading comprehension a go.

[Amanda Rush]

Retreat and call the cops just because he's a minor? Is that what you would do on your property? If that had been an eight-year-old, I might be able to agree. Unfortunately, you're talking about someone who is a minor for legal purposes. Retreating is something I don't think you have a right to ask anyone to do, unless you've been in the same position and done what you're asking others to do.

[hashfanatic]

"The police arrested the victim but that's often how it happens with politically correct policing around minorities. Again remember Bernard Goetz."

Actually the memory of the arrest of a certain Mr. Schick actually remains far fresher in my own recollection, in regards
to "politically correct policing".....

[Neandershort]

And the arrest of a certain Mr. Schick reminds me that "religious" Jews are quite capable of their own maumauing.

[Neo-Conservaguy]

"Again remember Bernard Goetz."

...who by his own account continued to shoot at the gang he perceived was going to rob him even as they lay on the floor of the subway. What was it he said as he fired again, something like, "you don't look so bad, here's another one"? The question is not whether Goetz had an initial right to defend himself, the question is, at what point did his role change from defender to attempted executioner? That last shot he fired at a helpless person lying on the floor may define the difference.

"Retreating is something I don't think you have a right to ask anyone to do, unless you've been in the same position and done what you're asking others to do."

Never mind what you think: what is the law in your area? In many areas you are required to retreat whenever possible, especially outside of your house. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather let the police handle such a situation.

[Amanda Rush]

The law in my area is that, if someone is trespassing on private property, and exhibits a propensity toward violence, then the property owner, or the person renting the property has the legal right to restrain the trespasser. The owner or renter wouldn't be charged with assault for defending property or self in this instance. If the trespasser announced himself, and said something like "I'm just passing through," then the renter or owner might be charged. So far, I haven't heard anyone defending this kid point out that he announced himself or his intentions, only that he was cagy about it, and then knocked the cell out of the homeowner's hand. Knocking the cell out of the homeowner's hand constitutes a good enough reason, even under the law here, to restrain someone. Obviously, if the kid fought the restraint, he's going to end up bruised and possibly cut.

[Lev]

Truthteller, I do not try to justify anything or anyone, but what if kid trespassed Italian or Irish neighbourhood's private property?
"minor cuts and bruises"?
Oh, I don't think sooo.
No, siree, Bob.
Somebody here complained about the word "shvartze"(means "black COLOR"), as "rasist".
Irish/Italians do not use Italian/Celtic word for "black color"; they use the word "nigger"(sorry for possible offence).
See degenerate movie "Departed", first monologue of Jack Nicolson charachter.
N.B. BTW, Hollywood, in the movies where every seond word is "f", avoids as much as possible word "nigger".

[Efox]

Trespass on my property, try to knock a phone out of my hands, you will leave my property with enough brain damage to assure you can't call the police. That will be a proper beating.

None of this kindly "Unlawful Restraining" silliness.

[truth be told]

Isn't it amazing that in court it was revealed the true story?

Under oath, the black "victim" admitted that after the rabbi took a picture of him, he punched the rabbi in the face.

After the rabbi was punched, the black "victim" was held down until police arrived.

Amazing how when the truth is revealed, it is not revealed on this blog.

[Shmarya]

I believe you are misrepresenting the testimony.

[real truth]

no he's not! I was there.

The accused is a good friend of mine. And he told me this exact story: He saw the youth taking the shortcut, and told him that this was private property. The kid ignored him, so he took out his phone to snap his picture. The kid then attacked him. My friend doesn't look it, but he's strong as an ox, and a good streetfighter too. And in the scuffle, he got the better of the kid and straddled him, pinning him down until the cops were called and came down.

When the cops discovered that the kid was just 15 years old, they decided to charge my friend.

THis is exactly how he described it to me. No embellishments.