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December 06, 2005

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Joseph

I find the contrast interesting the right and left brain are built to be in contention one to the other; Hashem said my ways are not your ways. So we banter back and forth, to and fro.

Was creation completed? (Law.of.One)
As Genesis says, he rested on the seventh day.

Find someone whom can relate the Sub=Planck to Hashem.

None have all knowledge simultaneously. Only the one.one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDl8ZPm3GrU


Here is the contrast:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oah/oah/oah388.htm
Michio Kaku: The Quantum Revolution

Isukapati vidyanadh

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Some of the learned and wise elders in the afore said, established Bible Colleges, Seminaries,Conferences, etc., and trying their level best for the improvement development of God’s word. Every year they are dispatching trainees in thousands to the world to preach gospel. All the Bible colleges are using these that passed doctorate degrees, research scholars, pundits etc., as learned lectures and instructors. With my above cited intention I am also sending my doubts to these colleges also. I am expeoting favorable reply with correct answers to my questions. If I w`nt receive any reply from your honorable presence, the truth and reality will be brought to the notice of all the nations in the world through magazines, news papers and bulletins. Don’t be angry upon me this is my humble representation. My anxiety to settle my suspicions and doubts made me to write like this, don’t think otherwise.Settle my subspicions and doubts made me to write like this with heartest wishes .In the Holy Bible they are so many closed secrets which we all ready try to explain you and so By the help of the Holy Spirit you and I will meet together and explain to the hole world . You please try the secrets from the Bible and our only work is to enlarged knowledge and to research the Bible Secrets. We are prepared to share all information relating to God and will send you if you kindly accept our offering. If there are other big matters in conference . We will definitely. I can interpret all the intricacies of the same subject , We are instantly ready to help un propagate God `s knowledge to all Christian elders and Servants ,We informed you before headed but regrettably you not communicated anything to us , We consider A God` s sent opportunity, To cultivate friendship with you , We are sending some questions only. Please think, And send your reply [1] In the beginning who declared himself as God is not God People does not know about God, until Jesus Christ come to world and telling about God.( Mathew 11:27. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the son, and he to whomsoever the son will reveal him. Luke 10:22) 1st. John 1:18. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 5:36-37). But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (1st John 5:20). John 18:38. Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. Jesus Christ exposed the God . [2] Jesus Christ told us every thing indirectly. Why did Jesus says without FORGIVENESS OF SINS with CLOSED EYES and EARS ? Mark 4:12-13. That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. (John 16:25-29) [3] Ages from Adams to Jesus [to the death of Jesus] how they can be saved or enter in the Kingdom of God ? JOHN: 14;6 Jesus saith unto him I am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the father , But by me . ACTS:4;12 Neither is there salvation in any other for there is none other name under heaven given among men where by we must be saved ? [4 ] I am asking you .Do you know JESUS ? Read verse Micah 5;2 but thou , Bethlehem Ephratha though thou be a little among the thousands of Judah , Yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel , whose going forth have been from of old from everlasting . You know the ruler is JESUS , Do you know how many times he descended in the world still how many times he will descend . what is the number of incarnation of Jesus Christ in the world. If you can answer this question I praise God and give honor. Seethe verse --1st PETER 5; 19-20 In the Journey to Canan Isreal Drank of the spiritual ROCK that followed them and that ROCK was JESUS CHRIST. 1ST corin 10; 4 We are expecting your heart warming cooperation. DIVINE GRACE ORPHANAGE & DESTITUTE WELFARE CENTER CHURCH OF THE ONLY TRUE GOD www.onlytruegodministries@yahoo.com

Shmarya

No, it does not. They had no halkha to decide on. If they did, your understanding of the results might very well be different.

Dovid

Point taken,

HOWEVER, the fact that the majority of Torah-scholard throughout the genertaions held otherwise means something...

Jath

the long arm of reb berale lozor ?
promoting pravoslav culture beyond russia ?


http:// www.jta.org/ page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=16088&intcategoryid=2

Shmarya

That only applies to halakha.

Dovid

Shmarya,

I am aware of that, however, the Torah tells us "Acharei Rabim Lhatos",follow the majority. While there are some Rishonim that take a non-literal approach, the overwhelming majority of the Torah scholars throughout ALL generations held otherwise.

Shmarya

Dovid –

There is a tradition amongst Rishonim that the opening sections of Genesis are not literal. As such, they are exempted from the rule you cite.

Paul Freedman

Dovid: I believe that all human understanding is partial--I have an "open mind"--I hope my brains haven't fallen through it. My opinion is that an "old world" has problems conceptually--I accept "scientific" truths that can be derived by observation/experimentation + the axiom that physical causal relationships do not arbitrarily change over time or space.

Dovid

Paul, what DO you believe?

You don't believe in a literal Genesis, your'e skeptical about evouloution, so, what DO you believe in?

I'll also be up front, verses in the Torah may sometimes have a non-literal meaning, (see Ramba"m Hilchot Melachim chapter 13 regarding the verse "And the wolf will lie with the lamb), however there is a rule regarding Torah, (especialy Chumash): "Ein Mikrah Yotsei Midei P'shuto", "the verse does not leave its literal meaning". Therefore, when it says that the world was created in 6 days, while it can be refering to days of G-d (as it says in Psalms "A thousand years is like a day to you"), or to different eras etc. Nevertheless, I take it to be literal, six days.

Paul Freedman

Dovid, up front, myself, I don't believe in a literal Genesis. I am also very skeptical of "evolution" as it is popularized by its most athiestic followers (such as Richard Dawkins). I do think that "evolution theory" may be pointing the way to a, how to put this, philosophically more convincing "naturalist" (and more convincingly "self-sufficient") garb for God's providential care--than the dogma that "random mutation" and "natural selection" are the sole and necessary factors for biological diversity.

Dovid

No problem at all, (in fact, that's the G-d I believe in). However I don't think that that evoloution is proper science. Religion has little to do with my disbelief in evoloution, in my opinion, it's scientificly impossible.

Dovid Lerner

No problem at all, (in fact, that's the G-d I believe in). However I don't think that that evoloution is proper science. Religion has little to do with my disbelief in evoloution, in my opinion, it's scientificly impossible.

Paul Freedman

Dovid, what would be the problem with a God who does work "within" nature in such a "hidden" way that one might believe that nature is doing all the work by itself?

Paul Freedman

Shmarya: we've been this before--but briefly: some ID people, including probably Dembski, literally believe that at a certain time(s) God literally makes out of nothing an entire "irreducible" organism--DNA, a cell, a human being, whatever--and some probably believe that even in an "old world" God periodically goes back to his workbench and makes a new species. But ID can also mean a theory that there is a God who created the world with physical properties that would "work" to permit evolution.

Dovid Lerner

There are plenty of holes in theories of evoloution, some big enough to drive a train through. Therefore I call it a philosophy. (For example: how many links in the so-called evoloutionary chain hav been discovered? Not enough to prove the theory.

Dovid Lerner

There are plenty of holes in theories of evoloution, some big enough to drive a train through. Therefore I call it a philosophy. (For example: how many links in the so-called evoloutionary chain hav been discovered? Not enough to prove the theory.

rebtsvi

"No beit hamikdah."
Rambam says Moshiach must build "mikdash be'mkoimo"-in his place the place where Moshiach is found which is outside Israel in fact in Edom (look in the Gemorah) Rebbe explains this means "Beis Rabbeinu sheBebovel" - Torah Center in Exile -Beis Moshiach-House of Moshiach be Gematria 770
see more on this in the Rebbes sicha linked to my screename bellow.
or here for the same Sicha in Hebrew Translation with in deepth explanations :
chabad.fm/459/
Beyound that there is a whole discussion who builds the actual 3rd Beis haMikdosh Moshiach or Hashem and what it actualy means in practice etc.

It means in it's place genius.

If you think the Rambam thought 770 was the Beis Hamikdash you've been smoking crack.

Can you bring korbanos at 770?

This is xtianity.

Ariel Hanotzri

RebbeGod.blogspot.com/2005/11/rebbe-g-ds-house-of-prayer-and-study.html

B"H
Same question Ariel...

"No kibbutz galiyot."
Mekabetz "nidchei" Yisroel doesn't mean all exiled.

"No peace among nations."
Yeshayahu doesn't say that there will be immidiate peace among the nationas look in the context...

"No beit hamikdah."
Rambam says Moshiach must build "mikdash be'mkoimo"-in his place the place where Moshiach is found which is outside Israel in fact in Edom (look in the Gemorah) Rebbe explains this means "Beis Rabbeinu sheBebovel" - Torah Center in Exile -Beis Moshiach-House of Moshiach be Gematria 770
see more on this in the Rebbes sicha linked to my screename bellow.
or here for the same Sicha in Hebrew Translation with in deepth explanations :
chabad.fm/459/
Beyound that there is a whole discussion who builds the actual 3rd Beis haMikdosh Moshiach or Hashem and what it actualy means in practice etc.

Unless you want to wait till the Beis haMikdosh is rebuilt to get a clue how it shall be in the Rebbe's merit in direct consequence of the holy work study the sources in Chazal discussing the issue above the 5 year old level on which you and many others have learned these issues...
With respect and blessing
Rabbi Ariel Sokolovsky
617-372-2312
Moshiach Info Center International
Portland Oregon
www.Moshiach.tv
Yechi Hashem Tsidkeinu!

Shmarya

You do not understand how science works. A theory is first proposed and then tested by attempts to falsify it. You incorrectly view science as philosophy.

Further, there is no source in traditional Jewish texts (Rishonim, etc.) for Young Earth Creationism. YEC was developed by Gosse, a protestant theologian in the mid-1800's. What todays gedolim hold by is Gosse, not Bereshit.

Try reading Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's Immortality, Resurrection and the Age of the Universe, published by Ktav.

You can read my summary here:

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2005/07/rabbi_aryeh_kap.html

Dovid

Intresting, you mock the theory of the world being created old, yet you believe in another scientific theory, (or philosophy), of evoloution.

As a Yeshivah student I didin't realy study this, so, correct me if I'm wrong, but didin't Darwin theorise evoloution? How long ago was he? He died in 1882, so his theory isin't that old.

I find it a bit hypocritical to bash one theory (one which the overwhelming majority of contemperary and classic Torah giants hold that the story of B'reishis is literal. (Note: Hashem created the trees already fully grown, he didint just plant seeds.... That might be the world-created-old theory...)

Cheers
Dovid

Shmarya

15 billion years. Evolution probably true. Bare minimum a frum Jew must believe? G-d started it all and still cares.

Dovid

Shamrya -

I was wondering, what is YOUR view of the creation of the world?

Cheers
Dovid

Rebtsvi

"As far as I'm concerned though people like you are "off the derech" and will soon become minority within Chabad for the word of G-d will be fulfilled."

Excuse me. Earth to Ariel.

What ever gave you the idea that I was Chabad?

I can't become a minority in Chabad because I'm not.

So, once upon a time a missionary comes to the Brisker Rov and tells him the Rabbi's are wrong and Yeshu is the messiah.

The Rov asks, "When were the Rabbi's wrong?"

So the missionary says, "When they said Bar Kochba was Moshiach."

The Rov asks, "And how do you know Bar Kochba WASN'T Moshiah?"

And the missionary said, "It's obvious. Because he died and didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies."

So the Brisker Rov say, "And how did your guy do?"

Same question Ariel...

No kibbutz galiyot.
No peace among nations.
No beit hamikdah.

Gornisht.

Just a bunch of wackos proclaiming the Rebbe to be YKVK.

Yechi Ariel Hanotzri.

RebbeGod.blogspot.com

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
I don't support Jewish terrorism.
I heard the rumors about the particular person in Tzfat however it would also seem to be a convinient way to slander the opposition since I have no firsthand knowlege I have no comment.
As far as I'm concerned though people like you are "off the derech" and will soon become minority within Chabad for the word of G-d will be fulfilled.
With respect and blessing.
Rabbi Ariel Sokolovsky
Moshiach Info Center International
Yechi Yehovah Tsidkeinu!
Moshiach (King Messiah) as Yehovoh (Jehovah) Tsidkeinu - G-d - our righteousnes-G-d our righteous. (Yirmiyahu (Yeremia, Jeremiah) 23:6 Rashi, Radak, Malbim Metzudos Dovid, Talmud Bava Bathra 75 Maharsha, Zohar etc. quotes and commentary ) moshiachtv.blogspot.com/2005/11/rebbe-moshiach-g-d.html
http://rebbegod.blogspot.com/2005/12/joy-to-world-lord-has-come.html

Rebtsvi

I've spoken to people in Israel about the wacko's like you Ariel who have gone off the derech.

They've responded with bizarre stories of attempted murder of Rabbi Bistritsky and Shabak involvement.

The claim the whole movement is a set up to discredit Chabad.

What do you think Ariel? Could you be a puppet of the Shabak?

RebbeGod.blogspot.com

B"H
To add to his "sins" Proffesor Branover is a good friemd of Proffesor Aryeh Gotfryd Shlit"a (who is widely credited in the press with being the spiritual leader of English speaking Elokistim - those who say Rebbe is God )and edited his popular book "Living in the Age of Moshiach" see: rabbiyess.com/scientists.html
also note proffesor Branover's very "Mashichist" paper in support of the mining claims of Shefa Yamim shefayamim.com/reports/opin2.htm
however if you truly want to understand why is he such a Mashichist read his autobiography almost everything he has achieved till now can be directly credited to following the Rebbe's advice often advice going against his "rational" logic and reason...

Rebtsvi

Rabbi Tendler DOES take phone calls. Both at his office at Yeshiva and his home in Monsey.

I look forward to the transcript of your call with him.

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