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October 13, 2005

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There is a very simple solution to this problem-Disclosure-Any Mohel who wants to use this unhealthy procedure should be required to disclose that he is using it to the parents and those in attendance. The net result is that only haredi boys will become infected-and frankly if the haredi community wants their children to become herpes carriers I don't care-its only when they bring their bizzare, pre-midevil and mythical practices which have no basis in Torah to my community through the use of their bearded dirty mohels that I care.

Un freekin believable. I'm beginning to understand how the blood libels got started. This is one of the sickest things I've ever heard of. Maybe there isn't a G-d after all.

Scott-apprently the Satmar thinks there is a God but that he sucks dick-But they never use the word "God" It's liek the seen in "Life of Brian" where the Blashemer is stoned to death for saying Gods name.

Your article doesn't mention if health situation regarding MBP has changed in some way recently causing this entire issue to be brought up. (If I'm wrong, and you did mention it, I apologize for overlooking it.) If, however, it is merely the view of modern professionals that the same practice which has been practiced for thousands of years is unsafe, then all I can say is that there is no record of this being a problem in Jewish communities at any time in history (meaning thousands of years) unless there was health threat specific to the time. Therefore this seems like another way for people looking for an excuse to find fault with Torah traditions and see orthodox Jews as antiquated and barbaric, similar to what some European nations are doing now by trying to ban shechita as immoral, just as the Nazis did. The record of Torah tradition stands on its own.

The article does mention that babies have been infected and that has been linked to MBP. Further, I have run many stories on this, also linked in this post. Lastly, in the past, when babies got sick or died, MBP was stopped. This is also mentioned in this post and in the linked pdf.

MBP is not an essential part of circumcision. Therefore, at the first sign of serious risk it should be dropped. The only reason this is not happening is that rabbis made keeping MBP an essential element in fighting the haskala, which wanted to drop it because of illness to babies. Now that we know that the early reformers were correct (as were the Orthododx doctors who also campaigned then to drop MBP)and that there is real risk to babies, MBP should be dropped – even if that makes rabbis of the past look stupid.

As for you nazi comparison, it is way out of line. Before you make such broad statements, lear the halakhot involved. MBP is ***NOT*** an essential part of the brit. It is ***TALMUDIC-ERA MEDICINE*** meant to speed healing and benefit the baby. We now know that MBP is ***DANGEROUS*** and does ***NOT*** benefit the baby. Therefore, MBP ***SHOULD BE DROPPED***.

Brent-I wonder if your son has his dick sucked after his bris? Did you want some old rabbi to do it? Do you want your son to get Herpes-and as far as your Nazi comparison-You haredim makes distinctions about the Jewishness of people you see as not worthy. Even the Nazi's did not do this-You should realize that there is one thing to not driving a car on Sa habbat and another blindly following the words of a cult leader like the bearded idiots pictured above. If being a Jew means you have to have your sons dick sucked count me out.

Herman, you have no understanding of basic medical terminology. Herpes carriers? The children will simply get infected with the cold sore virus which ALMOST EVERYONE acquires later in life.

I am not saying that MBP is not dangerous - as these experts point out, infants have very weak immune systems. However, your contention that hareidim will begin to carry a disease that no one else has is incorrect.

Rosco:

I'm not saying all Mohels have Herpes. I just think us suspecting non relgious Jews should have disclosure-then there is no issue-If the practice is safe then all Jews are okay. If it is not say then only the ultra orthodox will be negatively affective and the government should stay out of their decision.

Where do the mohels-in-training go to get their practice in sucking penises correctly? Is there an academy that offers accredited courses or is it just OJT? Is any qualifying exam given prior to certification? Is there any limitation to beard length for the mohels? An excessively long beard might obscure the infant's little wee-wee and impede proper
penis sucking procedure.

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