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Comments

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
I don't understand it Shmarya. Why do you protest this and previously mentioned , yet you don't protest what is happening http://terrisfight.org while ignoring the pending expulsion of Jews
in the land of Israel from their homes?
There are many sites you can link to.

http://jewishgaza.org/katif2.ram
Brocha veHatzlocha!
Ariel Sokolovsky
http://www.moshiachtv.blogspot.com
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!

[rebeljew]

While the political implications of removing Jews from Gaza may evoke a "slippery slope" argument, no one seriously proposes that Gaza is religiously "Eretz Yisrael"!! It was always considered expendable. See Netanyahu, "A Place Among the Nations" for a thorough treatment of that issue. It is a political one, bad politics to be sure, but politics nonetheless. Darfur is real genecide, where they kill the children to wipe out the next generation. Ariel, I know they are only goyim, and therefore not worthy of your attention, but the comparison to Gaza is specious at every level.

[Isa]

Then again if the Gaza settlements were on the other end of Gaza next to Eretz Yisrael then it might make sense to more people to defend them.

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!

RebelJew
1)
The main issue is pikuach nefesh:
When it is a city close to the border, then, even if they want to come only for the purpose of [taking] straw and stubble, we desecrate the Shabbos because of them; for [if we do not prevent their coming] they may conquer the city, and from there the [rest of the] land will be easy for them to conquer.
(Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 329:6)
http://www.truepeace.org/rebbeview.html

2)Noone said that people in Darfur is unworthy of attention because they are nonJews . I simply wanted to make a point that Shmarya is upset when Terri Schiavo was starved to death, he is upset that one group of non Jews is killing another in Sudan (all good causes no doubt) but it doesn't bother him that in very short time thousands of Jews men women and children are planned to be beaten arrested humiliated uprooted from their homes by army and police who should be there to protect them.
Apparently it doesn't bother Shmarya doesn't bother you and surprisingly it doesn't even bother Isa.
Why should then anyone take Shmarya's accusations against the Rebbe King Moshiach Shlit"a suposedly abandoning Ethiopean Jews and the Previous Rebbe's supposed innaction during the Holocaust. Who is Shmarya to speak? It's obvious he doesn't care too much about Jews being mistreated right now...
Brocha veHatzlocha!

Ariel Sokolovsky

http://www.moshiachtv.blogspot.com
PS:

I WAS EDUCATED NOT TO BE SILENT WHEN LIVES ARE IN DANGER
“I am not crying out because of a logical assumption that it will help, but simply because it hurts. I know that I will not receive nachas or respect for this, but degradation, etc. But I cannot do otherwise, because it is a clear halacha in Shulchan Aruch that one mustn’t be silent when lives are in danger!

“I was raised on this principle. I was my father’s firstborn, and he was rav in Yekaterinaslov, so it became my “job” to answer in Russian to the questions and mockeries, etc., that came up then. I was not educated to expect titles of honor, and that is how I continue to educate others – not to remain silent when lives are in danger, not to be impressed by everything they will say about me, and not even to consider the decree of the nations of the world.”

(Free translation. Sicha of 20 Av 5739)

http://www.beismoshiach.org/Shleimus%20HaAretz/shleimus_haaretz282.htm

Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

B"H

October 2000 / Tishri 5761

The Signs of Redemption Are All Around Us
By Rabbi Zvi Homnick

What's happening in Israel today is described in a classical mystical text, the Zohar, dating back almost 2000 years. It says that in the end of days, immediately prior to the Redemption, the descendents of Ishmael (the Arabs) will unite with the rest of the world against Israel.

This statement appears in the Zohar's discussion of Psalm Two, which begins: "Why do nations gather in rage, and peoples scheme in vain! Why do the kings of the earth rise up, rulers assemble against the Lord and His annointed, ... He who sits in heaven laughs..." Psalm Two refers to the time of the final Redemption, the Zohar says. G-d will sit in His heaven and laugh at the wicked schemes of the nations.

Much later in the 15th century, the renowned Kabbalist, Moshe Cordovero, known as "the Ramak," expands on this Zohar. He says that while the intent of the nations will be to destroy Israel, they will see that they cannot defeat them militarily. Thus they will arrive at the ingenious idea of approaching Israel with words of peace, masking their true intentions.

What triggers their anger, the sage said, is the fact that at the time Israel will have its own government.

Echoing the Zohar, the mystic concludes that the Redemption will come from within this crisis.

More recently, in 1991, the Lubavitcher Rebbe referred to Psalm Two at a time when the world condemned Israel for defending worshipers at the Western Wall when Arabs hurled boulders and stones down at them from the Temple Mount.

Many decent people wondered how countries so seemingly advanced in social justice, human rights, and the like could have participated in the United Nations censure of Israel. It was so unfair and unjust. The Rebbe reminded the Jewish people that kings of the world may gather, and princes ban together against G-d and His annointed, but it is from this stituation that Israel will be saved.

He also pointed out that Psalm Two refers specifically to the era of Moshiach. It is Moshiach's efforts to purify the world that cause the nations to rage.

In 1992, Israeli cabinet minister Moshe Katzav came to the Rebbe for a blessing. The Rebbe spoke to Katzav extensively, delivering a warning for Prime Minister Shamir. If Shamir so much as traveled to Madrid for the autonomy talks with the Palestinians, the Rebbe said, he, the Rebbe, would bring his government down.

Uncharacteristically, the Rebbe used his name, saying "I, M. Schneerson....." will bring his government down.

Ironically, it was the Rebbe, through his emissaries, who fought so hard to put Shamir in power.

The Rebbe told Katzav that it didn't matter what Shamir had in mind. It mattered what the enemy had in mind.

Then the Rebbe said an astounding thing. If the land were given away, it should be given by a government of gentiles, not Jews. Shortly thereafter, in a shocking upset, Shamir's government toppled. We saw how the ratification of Oslo II in the Knesset did not have a Jewish majority. It was only by dint of the vote of five Arab members that Oslo II passed. Thus it was the swing vote of the gentiles that accomplished the ceding of land to the Palestinians. Essentially, a "government of gentiles" cast the deciding vote. Despite his foresight, the Rebbe stressed again and again that these unfavorable events in no way represent a halt or slowing down of the Messianic process, but just the opposite,--they are part and parcel of it. The world's attempts to undermine the claim of the Jewish people to their land only hasten the circumstances from which they will be redeemed.

The vision described in Psalm Two of princes and kings joining together against Israel seems to have culminated in the funeral of Yitzchok Rabin. Heads of state of every stripe, including monarchs, presidents, premieres and prime ministers were present at the ceremony. Many saw this spectacle as a high point of honor for Israel, when in fact, in speech after speech, each ruler challenged Israel's sovereignty over the land, and particularly, our right to Jerusalem.

As the Zohar predicted, we are witnessing a united front of Arabs and their sworn enemy, the West, when it comes to dismantling the state of Israel. Despite their enmity, Moslems and Christians overcome their age-old hatred when it comes to ganging up on Israel. What is especially fascinating is that the goal of destroying Israel is not a secret. The leader of the PLO, Arafat, openly says his purpose is war, not peace. In countless speeches to Arabs, tracked and recorded by an international press corps, he calls for "Jihad," (holy war), with Jerusalem as the goal, and openly acknowledges that the "peace process" is merely a stage that will culminate in complete conquest of the land. What is so amazing is how the Jewish people have rushed headlong into peace with someone who has publicly stated his intentions to destroy us.

Irrational, illogical, impossible to understand, were it not for the prophecies of long ago.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Sparta/4219/prophecy.htm

Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!

[Isa]

RE:
Why should then anyone take Shmarya's accusations against the Rebbe King Moshiach Shlit"a suposedly abandoning Ethiopean Jews and the Previous Rebbe's supposed innaction during the Holocaust. Who is Shmarya to speak? It's obvious he doesn't care too much about Jews being mistreated right now...

Abandoning the Gaza settlements is NOT like "abondoning Ethiopean Jews... supposed innaction during the Holocaust"
With Gaza settlements only the land is abandoned, the settlers are free to LIVE elsewhere e.g. Judia/Sammaria.
For the Ethiopean question and the Holocuast, lives were lost directly.
Land is being compared to lives. Yes I know it may encourage the Arabs to attack more.
Yes I know the Gaza thing sucks- I was a Kahanist but far away settlements are difficult to defend and too easy to sacrifice.

[rebeljew]

Ariel

It is obvious that the Gaza withdrawal is bad short term politics. It is true that the stalwarts wills stand against the army and possibly be injured in the fray, that they will create. But, they are being offered money, relocation assistance, amenities etc. to cooperate with the government. In the end, they will choose to either support the government or oppose it. Of those who oppose, some will choose violent means. Gaza is NOT NOT NOT I repeat NOT a part of religious Eretz Yisrael. It has always been considered expendable, unlike the West Bank which has deeper religious implications. That's why "gaza First" was always the way that they offered peace.

Pikuach Nefesh?????!!!! In long term politics, a lot more lives will be preserved by the withdrawal, by pulling back undefendable towns. The question is the slippery slope argument, that this will lead to precedents that we cannot resist later. That was the argument at Yamit, that is the argument here. In truth, endless war will not lead to Pikuach nefesh, and untractability will only lead to endless war. The Palestinians must be offered a solution and the world must support that solution or we will have endless war. If Israel imposes a solution, if the US imposes a solution, if the UN imposes a solution there will be what there has been until today. Only the US Canada border can be a model for a peaceful Israel and that will take many generations to accomplish (e.g. US Japan, US Canada, Germany France, France England, all bitter enemies at one time in the recent past). I do not play down the danger of making bad moves in Gaza, but it is not Darfur, Rwanda, Bosnia nor any of those.

In those places, it is like the Bolsheviks, the Nazis, Arab mobs of the 30s etc. coming through a town of civilians to murder men, women and children to wipe out the next generation. They hunt and kill the refugees, people who just want to live on their little plot of land. Israel won Micronesia's support by supporting their cause. The PLO won Mandela's support the same way. In a world that is increasingly united into competing teams, it behooves us not to sustain Truman's assessment, that Jews would be just as cruel to others as the world was to them. The US stood silently while the Holocaust went on for years. No visas for refugees, no support, no special dispensation, nothing. Are you advocating that we do the same to Darfur, Rwanda etc.? Are you saying that somehow this genocidal slaughter, which we KNOW ABOUT, is comparable to a political situation where Jews are asked to give up outlying towns in Gaza in exchange for compensation? (Remember, we are talking Philistine 'Aza, not Hevron.) However, you feel about Gaza, I probably agree with you on it, but to compare Darfur to Gaza is literally like comparing the Holocaust to a border dispute. (Incidentally, that is exactly what Hitler, Y"S, did to justify his actions, using the Sudetenland and German Poland to justify flattening the city and pursuing the refugees.)

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
Think about this:
Security for Israel Comes From
G-D Alone
Prophetic words of the Lubavitcher Rebbe to the (then) Israeli Transportation Minister, Moshe Katzav,
Yud Shevat, 5752; January 15,1992,

Moshe Katzav is now the President of Israel
Translated (from the original Hebrew) by Mordechai Sones and Yankel Koncepolski

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When the Transportation Minister, Moshe Katzav, was introduced to the Rebbe, the Rebbe shook his hand (continuing to hold his hand for the entire duration of the conversation) and blessed him as follows: `Within the realm of your position, you should merit to solidify the bond between the Nation of Israel, the Torah of Israel, and G-D, so that these three should never be separated.'

The Rebbe then continued: `I recently heard a strange and frightening rumor regarding talks and impending decisions on the part of the Israeli government concerning surrendering parts of the Land of Israel. They are currently discussing a five year plan (Madrid talks) which they describe as `autonomy'; In truth, however, the semantics are meaningless and it makes no difference how they render the issue, because the plain truth is that these talks and affairs fall under the explicitly stated Torah prohibition of not granting favors to the nations, which includes the prohibition of ceding any part of Eretz Yisroel to the nations of the world. These talks will eventually lead to the actual surrender of parts of the Land of Israel. It then follows, that the very fact of holding such talks constitutes a rejection of G-D and His Torah, of Eretz Yisroel and the holiness of the Land of Israel.

Discussions of autonomy plans are just a prelude to surrendering parts of Eretz Yisroel - and not just small territories, but rather large expansive parts such as Judea, Samaria, Gaza, Hevron and Jerusalem etc. This involves life and death issues! As has been stated, it is irrelevant what the Jews think, say and how they interpret this; what matters is how the gentiles understand it. They interpret the plan as one eventually leading to surrender of parts of Eretz Yisroel and the establishment of a Palestinian state.

You understand Arabic, so go and ask the Arabs who live there what their intention is in discussing a five year autonomy plan. You will see that they will tell you that their intention is that they will actually be given parts of Eretz Yisroel for the purpose of establishing a Palestinian state. It automatically follows that it is totally irrelevant how the Jews wish to interpret it because what matters is how the gentiles view the issue.

The very act of discussing autonomy plans is a desecration of G-Dís Name and holiness. The fact that there are individual Jews in Eretz Yisroel who do not keep Torah and Mitzvos relates specifically to desecrating their personal lives, but here we are discussing a situation in which the government of Israel will publicly declare war against G-D and His Torah.

As to the explanation (of the Likud) that the only matter under discussion is the limited self-rule, whereby the Arabs will be in charge of their own education and agriculture etc. but not foreign affairs and security, and that this is only a trial period... these are all matters of diplomacy and I shall not argue with you on this, as it seems that you understand more on diplomacy than I. However, here we are not discussing diplomacy, but the surrender of parts of Eretz Yisroel. The very fact that a negotiation on this is taking place is a desecration of G-Dís Name and in opposition to G-D and His Torah. It then makes absolutely no difference what kind of diplomatic icing the Jews put on top of it.

The reason which is being given for these talks is that there is a mass immigration from Russia, and Israel therefore needs Americaís loan guarantees etc., and we must take into account what the American government will say -- this consideration is the first step to giving away land. The proof of this is, that the Likud themselves state that the reason why they are doing all this is because of the pressure from the goyim - so afterwards, when there will be more pressure, they will capitulate further ad infinitum. We have seen this in the past; buckling under pressure brings to more pressure.'

(Minister Katzav remarked that in the previous year President Bush had sent a letter opposing a Palestinian state, but a year later Bush just wrote that he was not in favor of a Palestinian state, so we see here a change of stance.)

The Rebbe responded: `And we see in which direction the change is headed.'

It is unfathomable that a Jew who believes in G-D and His Torah could be a party to such actions, or could add his signature to such an arrangement. Likewise, it is preferable that the (Shamir) government should fall and there should not be a Jewish government, since the only reason they are even discussing these plans is because of pressure from the nations (as they themselves admit.) This being the case, it would be preferable that they establish -- G-D forbid -- a non-Jewish government in Eretz Yisroel who will from the outset decide what to do with Eretz Yisroel - at least then there will not be Jews signing on such agreements!

You certainly know Mr. Menachem Begin who at the outset did not agree with the Camp David ideas and was strongly against them. Eventually, however, he began to make compromises, and from what we hear today, he has great remorse over having given up a part of the Land of Israel. `Had it been people who do not believe in G-D who were responsible for this, it would be possible to understand. But that the signature for abandoning parts of Eretz Yisroel should emanate from Jews who believe in G-D - this is a desecration of His Name.

Shamir believes in G-D and in the holiness of the Land of Israel - so it is completely mind-boggling that he should be the one to agree to negotiate on a plan whose eventual outcome is the surrendering of parts of Eretz Yisroel `Security of the Land of Israel comes from G-D alone, and if they would act accordingly and stand firmly as the hour dictates, there would not be any reason to worry about the safety of Eretz Yisroel.

Meanwhile, they only speak of a five year interim period because they are afraid to openly state that they want to give up parts of Eretz Yisroel, but their true intentions are clear. According to my estimation, Shamir himself knows this - and better than I.

Shamir has many merits in connection with the land of Israel which go back to the time of the Irgun, when the gentiles had control over Eretz Yisroel. Shamir fought against this; now it is he who speaks of giving away parts of Eretz Yisroel!

In my opinion, what practically must be done now is for Shamir to immediately halt the decision and negotiations on autonomy.

I always fought for a Shamir government, as I did everything within my power so that a government be established with Shamir as its head - however, if they will continue in this direction of negotiations then I, Menachem Mendel, will be the first to fight with all my forcefulness and might against Shamir so that his government will fall. `Up until today it has only been Mr. Shimon Peres against Shamirís government, but if Shamir continues in this direction negotiating about autonomy, then I too will be against the government of Shamir.

If Shamir is unable to stand the pressure of the goyim, let him publicly declare that he cannot withstand the pressure and is unable to continue as Prime Minister.

As I have said many times in the past, a shamir is Biblically known as a worm which cuts through hard stone - so let Shamir release a shamir into the decision to speak about these matters of giving up parts of the Land of Israel. Then the decision and all thought of such matters will be hewn and totally nullified, ceasing to exist.'

Minister Moshe Katzav: `The Rebbe shlita is the one who established the present government, and we would like the continued blessing of the Rebbe for this government which will add holiness to the government.'

The Rebbe: `When Shamir will add holiness to Eretz Yisroel, the he will gain the strength to stand against all the pressures.'

Minister Moshe Katzav: `Shamir will surely be strong.'

The Rebbe: `Until now he has been strong, and we must therefore see to it that they immediately cease all talk about autonomy.'

You will surely relate all this to Mr. Shamir and not be angry with me for placing such an unpleasant task upon you. Relay this with all the forcefulness with which I have said it to you. I apologize for speaking such harsh words, because in truth this is a matter that needs to be discussed at greater length, but now is not the time to go into it further (approximately 10,000 Jews and non-Jews were waiting in the cold for a precious moment with the Rebbe.)

May there be only good news to relate and may they only discuss the holiness of Eretz Yisroel and Am Yisroel. May there be good news.'
http://www.truepeace.org/katsav.html
brocha ve'hatzlocha!
Ariel Sokolovsky
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

B"H
Shalom uBrocha!

JOIN TOGETHER ALL THOSE WHO STAND UP FOR HASHEM

Author: Shai Gefen

PURIM KATAN 5687

The mass rally took place Shushan Purim Katan (February 24th) in Yerushalayim, under the slogan of Mi L’Hashem Eilai. The rally and the events it was protesting reminded me of the dark days of Purim Katan 5687 (1927) when the Rebbe Rayatz farbrenged in Moscow. Members of the Yevsektzia were present, albeit disguised, yet the Rebbe spoke openly and fearlessly. The Rebbe called upon his Chassidim to cast themselves into the fire rather than hand over their children to the wicked and heretical government.

At that farbrengen, the Rebbe said the maamer, “V’Kibel HaYehudim,” and spoke about the power of mesirus nefesh that every Jew has from Mordechai. Those who are familiar with the chain of events of those days, knows it was this farbrengen, which led to the imprisonment of the Rebbe Rayatz. But fear of reprisals did not deter him and he openly said the truth.

Those who participated in the mass rally in Yerushalayim felt elevated and united in the spirit of, “go and gather all the Jews,” along with a feeling of dread about the terrible decree hanging over our heads.

Someone pointed out to me that the calendar this year is set up identically to the year of 5687. And the day that the Disengagement is scheduled to begin is right around the Chag HaGeula of the Rebbe Rayatz on ‎12-13‏ Tammuz.

We are certain that Shushan Purim Katan 5765 is the day that our salvation began. We will yet see how the cries of thousands of Jews led to mercy and salvation for the Jewish people.

MORE OF A DICTATORSHIP THAN RUSSIA

The present Israeli government is not much different than the Soviet government of 80 years ago. The Rebbe pointed this out in the sicha of Zos HaBracha 5746, saying that the government in Israel is far worse than the Soviet government.

Last Sunday, the Israeli government decided to form a special unit in the Legal Department to deal with inciters, i.e., anybody who says a word against Sharon. Whoever tries to say something is already suspect, which is precisely how the KGB operated.

When a minister comes to visit a certain city and a council member is held in detention until the minister finishes eating supper, all because the person opposes the Disengagement, this is a Bolshevik government with Mafia enforcement.

If a rally of thousands of people expressing their pain and the p’sak halacha is considered incitement, to the extent that the commander general of the police says it must be investigated, it shows how undemocratic this government is.

An entire country is being led to its destruction by a corrupt family and a dictator who doesn’t stop at any red lights, who tries to muzzle his opponents with nonsense about incitement. He tries to forcibly prevent legitimate opposition to his criminal laws, which decree destruction on Jewish settlements. Sharon doesn’t even allow those sentenced to expulsion the right to protest.

No other government in the world acts this way; there is no other normal nation that expels its people and destroys its own settlements, ethnically cleansing its own land, except in the State of Israel.

Only in the State of Israel, a day after five Jews are murdered in Tel Aviv, can we be focused on the so-called incitement of the Right. Only in Israel can a Minister of Police say that the murderous attack was indirectly caused because the demonstrations of the Right against Disengagement kept the police occupied!

WHERE THERE

IS A CHILUL HASHEM

One of the most important aspects of the mass rally on Shushan Purim was definitely the protest. The Rebbe MH”M insisted that protests be made, especially about giving away land, in order to avoid a chilul Hashem. The protest rally was made even more significant when chareidi parties are in the Coalition, and rabbanim and other believing Jews are silent!

The mass rally, which was attended by rabbanim and thousands of loyal Jews, clearly presented the halacha, for the first time since the Disengagement plan was announced. The halacha about pikuach nefesh was the only message, not a referendum, and not “Love Will Triumph.”

It was a rally for the sake of Heaven. This was the first time that a rally was based solely on truth, the truth of Torah, which doesn’t change with the times and the influence of the media.

Truth is a precious commodity these days, and it greatly interferes with all the bootlickers and government sycophants.

The truth expressed at that rally is bringing down accusations of incitement, but it won’t help. Nothing will help them. We’ve endured Stalin and other enemies, and we’ll endure Sharon’s government too. Chabad was never afraid of threats. The truth of Torah will be loudly heard, come what may!

TOYING WITH LIVES

On Sunday, the day the Israeli government voted to destroy the settlements of Gush Katif, the defense minister decided that the army will not destroy any more homes of terrorists because it’s not effective. Just a few hours later, the government passed a resolution to destroy 26 Jewish settlements.

Is there a connection? Yes. Those who are merciful to the cruel, to those who murder women and children, will ultimately be cruel to their own people.

As a goodwill gesture to Abu Mazen, Israel released 500 terrorists from jail. Then Friday night, Jews were murdered in Tel Aviv. While Israeli ministers were busy with torpedoing the protest against the Disengagement and praising the Arabs, the Arabs executed another successful attack in the heart of the first Israeli city; not in Gush Katif, but in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Those who think they can resolve anything by making additional concessions is mistaken! Israel always pays a price. The question is: how long will Israel persist in pursuing an approach that has repeatedly failed? How many times can they sell us the lie about concessions for peace?

HOW IS GONEN SEGEV DIFFERENT THAN ARIK SHARON?

Gonen Segev was recently indicted for attempting to smuggle illegal drugs. For those who don’t remember, Gonen Segev defected from the Right to the Left and it was his vote that tipped the scale to ratify the terrible Oslo Accords. This criminal and menace to society is the one who brought the horrors of Oslo upon his people.

So who are the people who decided to give away parts of our land to our worst enemies and what moral stature do they have? These are people who got a mandate from the nation for a certain platform and then went and defected with the mandate to carry out another plan. In one word: fraud.

There is another person of stature like Gonen Segev, but he is not a member of the Knesset but the Prime Minister. He and his family have no shortage of criminal files. The deeper the investigations go, the worse the expulsion and destruction they wreak upon our nation. But as usual, the media keeps quiet and doesn’t ask questions.

20 YEARS AGO THE REBBE SAID THAT SHARON WOULD EXPEL JEWS

Twenty years ago, on Purim 5745, the Rebbe spoke about Sharon’s failures in the war in Lebanon. The Rebbe said a sharp statement, which is most astonishing considering what’s going on now. This is what the Rebbe said:

Those people who caused the tzaros mentioned before, are the present leaders who try, with all their might, to continue in this way. Whether in southern Lebanon or the Galil, etc., to concede more land of Eretz Yisroel that was given to the Jewish people by Hashem in a miraculous manner. They seek merely to find the right way of preparing public opinion so they will accept it, and just as they expelled Jews from Yamit, they can expel Jews from other places, Heaven forbid, don’t open your mouth to the Satan. And so too with Egypt – they seek ways to make concessions to Egypt in other areas.

from http://chabad.info/bm/index.php?magazine=ee_&status=goto_id&id=491

[rebeljew]

It is obvious by now, Ariel, that politics is not "prophecy". And what might (or might not) have been good policy 12 years ago, is not necessarily the same today. Every avenue taken closes another. Back in 1967, the problem could have been solved. We no longer have that option. Back in 1993 Oslo might have been thwarted. Not anymore. You do in politics what you do in religion, continue to deny clear and obvious facts and pretend that they are different thna they are. When you are dancing around a bima declaring that a man who is dead is really alive, it is comical but harmless. When you suggest that people's lives and deaths should be determined on that basis, you show yourself incapable of proper judgement.

The CR argued slippery slope for Yamit. Also for Lebanon, for Madrid and going back. You can argue slippery slope for Gaza too. What you cannot argue, as you do above, is that Gaza is uncedeable Eretz Yisrael. It is behind a fence on the desert, not on high ridge with a circuitous border, like the West Bank. It does not have the level of Jewish roots that the West Bank has. It has always been considered a bargaining chip.

The Palestinians of the past were intractable and led by a gangster that was not going to change. The current groups are in flux, and their paths are being formed now. The enemy is defeated (leaderless, rudderless, little power of any kind other than dwindling terrorism), but we still must create a working model. We can create a new Japan, or we can help reinstall a new Arafat. One fact remains. They aren't going away, we are not going to put them in concentration camps, they are not moving to Jordan, they aren't going to wake up and realize that we were right and convert or commit suicide or whatever other fantasy you harbor. They must be dealt with in a way that they can live and we can live with. When that happens, the borders will open, the society will change and the terrorism will end. Bush sees it, Sharon sees it, maybe generations will have to pass, but US Japan, US Canada, France Germany, England Germany, and many others have accomplished in recent times what we must accomplish in Israel.

If we used outdated policy as you want to, written in the stone of infallibility doctrine, in the US we would have black slaves, we would assimilate every citizen, we would have government "make work" programs, we would have a gold standard, and we would be eternally at war with England, Spain, Vietnam and most of Europe. All of these had a time and place, and all had to be modified to changing times. Ariel, policy is just not religious doctrine. It is not a sin to examine new directions.

[Shmarya]

RebelJew –

Well said! Kol HaKavod!

Ariel –

If you did NOT believe the Rebbe is moshiach, would your views on this change?

[Pamela]

Regarding the expulsion of settlers from Gaza: It was a brilliant PR stunt, and it worked. As hard as it was for the individuals, the majority of the settlements were constructed illegally, and it was important to the peace process to have them dismantled. THEY WERE GIVEN MANY MONTHS TO EVACUATE THEMSELVES AND THEIR BELONGINGS AND WERE COMPENSATED GENEROUSLY MONETARILY. Those who were dragged out (or "beaten," depending on your perspective) by the army were those who, up to the eleventh hour, refused to leave. This was caught on new networks worldwide and played over and over, along with people sadly weeping over the loss of their homes.

Interestingly, there has not been one broadcast, on ANY news network, ever, of any of the thousands and thousands of Palestinians whose home were bulldozed by the army. Unlike the settlers, they were homes were destroyed with NO notice, NO compensation, and no reasons given. Not a peep from the media about these families, who wept for the loss of their homes and all of their possessions, and who were now homeless refugees.

I'm a Jewish woman who mourns all loss of life, but who also cares much about truth and accuracy in the meda.