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December 28, 2004


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ex schochet

This is in answer to Tzemach Atlas. I speak as an ex schochet. The suggestion that ripping out the trachea shakes loose lung adhesions and increases the percentage of kosher is nonsense. that would be like saying that running can shake loose your kidneys. The lungs are enclosed by the ribs while the trachea is firmly anchored to the muscles above that area.


"the list consists of exclusively "heimische" brands with "heimische" hashgochos. Y'know, the ones that cost 2-3x what a similar supermarket brand bearing "just" an O-U would cost. "
I love your description . I know well those brands that no gentile will buy even by default !

Those Kosher Inflation fighters that can wreck any household that uses them !

Those that come out of production lines looking and tasting stale .

Those of so poor quality , that it is doubtful if birkat hanehenin is required lest we fail in bracha lebatalah !

Those mehadrin min hamehadrin Kosher food products with 27 hechshers but loaded with transfat without warnings . No hashash of good health to result from these products chos ve sholom !

Those with repugnant packaging devised prior to the invention of offset printing .

Anybody still surprised that frum yidden fill the waiting rooms of Dr's ?

Tzemach Atlas

So far nobody not lawyers or Rabbis gave us a satisfactory explanation about throat ripping. Rabbi Shain claims it was done "davka" to increase the percentage of so called glatt and kosher cows. Somebody should at least give us an explanation because I repeat nobody said so far why they were cutting out the trachea.

Camp Runamok

Uh, everyone;

This Kosher Consumer's Union is verifiable mischegass. Just look at the list of "acceptable" foodstuffs.


This is not Pesach or Shmitta or other somesuch. This is for regular daily consumption. You will notice that, with very few exceptions, the list consists of exclusively "heimische" brands with "heimische" hashgochos. Y'know, the ones that cost 2-3x what a similar supermarket brand bearing "just" an O-U would cost.

Also note that the "alerts" list on the site is about 5 years out of date. And it is punctuated by sundry, unsupported ad-hominem remarks about various providers (see the Dagim warning at #20 for example).


The proverbial pound of salt is needed here.


Who is Rabbi Yudel Shain? What is his position of authority, etc?

I'd like to see something official out of Lakewood, not this thing from a Rabbi I've never heard of. What has Rav Kotler Shlit"a said?


'nisht shain'–

I don't have time now to re-read all of the article but, on a quick glance I see that the second paragraph of his article mentions the OU in a negative light.

Perhaps you should download the PDF and read the WHOLE thing before you make your charges.


"nisht shain"
Address the issue itself - not the person . I know your people have a kulla on lashon haraa as long as they are the perpetrators !
1 - is the Beit Yosef @ Rubashkin legit or a fraudulous sham ?
2 - does Rubashkin swindle equally fellow Hassidim on matters of Hassidish Shehita ?
If so , what is the value of hassidish shehita & why are they feted by Kolel Habad ?

PS: "nisht shain" -what language is that ? -
sounds totally alien to me - high german ?

nisht shain

So the Al Sharpton of the Kashrus world has decided to enter the fray! In his silly diatribe against all the Rabbonim Hamachshirim and their supposed greed he doesn't mention the O-U at all as being one of the Hashgachos on Rubashkin. The reason is simple. The O-U employs Shain or Shame as a Mashgiach for some of their plants with the understanding that if he ever attacks them in his newsletter he is history. In fact all the regular subjects of his attacks are the Kashrus organizations who refuse to cave in to his blackmail.Talk about corruption!


Please be advised that Rabbi Shain is unaccepted by most kashrus authorities & others.He is a prime example of how a little knowledge hurts & his knowledge is little. While i wouldn't unilaterally disregard anything he rants about, I would verify it from some knowledgeable person.
Just recently 'Rabbi' Shain was villified by the roshei yeshiva in Lakewood for claiming quotes from current poskim which they verified as lies.


This is the link that was missing from my earlier comment sent @ 8:03
http: // shmais.com/chabad_Detail.cfm?ID=486


I am refering to the sham Beit Yossef She'hita , may have been funny , if it were not sad , or worse yet , criminal !
It is very sad how the believing Sefardi Kosher Consumer
is raped & led to believe by a chassidishe outfit that he should rest assured that he is getting his Beit Yosef & pay a premium for it , when in fact he is being sold Treif .
At the same time , the very same group of devils are actively pushing in places like Morocco for the elimination of millenium old practices of nikkur :

The article reports :
"the Rabbonim discussed the Matzav of the Jewish community in Morocco, Shechita and Bedika, and the sensational news that the Moroccan Jewish community no linger uses meat from the lower/back part of the cows due to the complex issues of Nikkur. "
This to me is tantamount to celebrating the loss of knowledge of the tchelet in tsitsiyot . Here , another lechayim . They no longer do it , they buy now from Rubashkin !
I only see a deliberate effort at erasing all manifestation of Judaic observance except those that bear their seal . Shame and worse !

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