The Chicago Rabbinical Council On Rubashkin Shechita: "This Is Basically The Exact Way That God Asked Us To Do It."

According to a new article in the LA Times:

"Does the meat technically fulfill the requirements of kosher slaughter? Yes," said Rabbi Elliot Dorff, a leading philosopher in the Conservative Jewish movement. "But if by calling it 'not kosher' [you] mean that the meat should not be eaten, I agree with that. The way it's produced violates Jewish law."

Many Orthodox rabbis dispute that conclusion.…

"This is the way we did it in the Holy Temple all those years. This is basically the exact way that God asked us to do it," said Rabbi Sholem Fishbane, who supervises kosher slaughterhouses for the Chicago Rabbinical Council.

"The PETA video wasn't pretty, that's for sure," Fishbane said. "But the meat was definitely kosher."

You can read it all here.

latimes.com
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-kosher28dec28,1,3773784.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
THE NATION
Cattle Video Stirs Kosher Meat Debate
Graphic images from an Iowa slaughterhouse are posted online by an animal rights group. Rabbis disagree about the techniques' merits.
By Stephanie Simon
Times Staff Writer

December 28, 2004

The beef is produced according to ancient Jewish law: A trained rabbi makes a swift cut across each animal's neck with a long, sharp knife. The blood drains quickly from the meat. Orthodox rabbis supervise the process and certify the beef as kosher.

But when an animal rights activist went undercover at one of the nation's top kosher slaughterhouses, he found practices that had raised deep concerns among some observant Jews.

The activist, from the group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, was assigned to the sausage line at Agriprocessors Inc. in Postville, Iowa. Whenever he could, however, he slipped over to the kill floor with a hidden camera. There, he filmed cattle struggling to stand minutes after they should have been dead. Some even staggered about after their throats had been slit and their windpipes ripped out.

The Orthodox Union, the largest kosher certification authority in the world, has declared that the procedures at Agriprocessors "meet all [our] standards to the highest degree." Meat from the plant — sold under the brand names Aaron's Best and Rubashkin — is certified not only as kosher, but as glatt kosher, which means it's deemed of the highest quality.

But kosher law is more than a procedural checklist. It's based on the ancient Jewish principle of tza'ar ba'alei hayyim — the need to minimize pain to all living beings. And that's where the video has caused unease.

The Torah lists specific rules for treating animals humanely. For instance, oxen must not be muzzled on the threshing floor because it would torment them to see grain they could not eat. Rabbinical scholars nearly 2,000 years ago introduced the general principle that Jews must make sure the animals they use for work and food do not suffer.

That principle is integral to kosher slaughter, which, experts say, can be virtually painless if done correctly.

After watching the video, which PETA posted online, some rabbis have concluded that the animals at Agriprocessors suffer unnecessarily — and have declared the meat unfit.

"The animals appear to be in agony," Rabbi Joel Rembaum recently wrote his congregation at Temple Beth Am in Los Angeles. "The meat that comes from there is not kosher."

He was shocked, he wrote, by the sight of animals with gashed necks thrashing on a bloody floor for a minute or longer. He also rejected as unacceptably cruel the equipment the plant uses: a revolving metal drum that turns the cattle upside down, baring their necks for the cut, and then dumps them out seconds later on the concrete.

Rabbinical scholars within the Conservative movement declared the inverted pen unacceptable for kosher slaughter in a legal opinion issued in 2000. The Iowa plant is one of the few in the nation that still use it.

"Does the meat technically fulfill the requirements of kosher slaughter? Yes," said Rabbi Elliot Dorff, a leading philosopher in the Conservative Jewish movement. "But if by calling it 'not kosher' [you] mean that the meat should not be eaten, I agree with that. The way it's produced violates Jewish law."

Many Orthodox rabbis dispute that conclusion.

They point out that the inverted pen was designed to speed the draining of blood — an imperative in kosher slaughter. It's the method preferred by the chief rabbinate of Israel. And it is an ancient Jewish custom.

"This is the way we did it in the Holy Temple all those years. This is basically the exact way that God asked us to do it," said Rabbi Sholem Fishbane, who supervises kosher slaughterhouses for the Chicago Rabbinical Council.

"The PETA video wasn't pretty, that's for sure," Fishbane said. "But the meat was definitely kosher."

The debate comes against a backdrop of concern among some Jews about PETA's motives.

The group in the past has compared chickens to Holocaust victims, juxtaposing scenes of Nazi death camps with photos from factory farms. Jewish leaders also were appalled when PETA wrote the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat to complain that a donkey had been injured in a bombing attack in Jerusalem.

PETA coordinator Bruce Friedrich has made a point of praising kosher law for its emphasis on animal welfare. Nonetheless, some in the Jewish community view the undercover video as an anti-Semitic attack.

Nathan Lewin, an attorney for Agriprocessors, noted in a column in the Jewish Press that the Nazis launched their attacks on Jews in the 1930s with a campaign to discredit kosher slaughter as barbaric.

And Agriprocessors executive Heshy Rubashkin recently wrote customers urging them to join "with us in defending our religious practices against these extreme political attacks."

Customers like Leah Hoffmitz have followed the back-and-forth with some unease.

Hoffmitz, a graphic design professor from Los Angeles, said she always assumed that kosher slaughter meant humane slaughter. Hearing PETA's allegations "disturbed me," she said. But not enough to stop her from grilling Rubashkin steaks for dinner.

In the end, she said, she has to believe that the rabbinical authorities certifying the plant's meat as kosher are doing their jobs.

"As an observant Jew, I have to trust these people," she said. "Their job is to make sure the food I'm eating is proper."

Although Agriprocessors maintains that its animals do not suffer, it will — on the advice of the Orthodox Union — implement some new practices on the kill floor.

Workers no longer will rip out the animals' windpipes immediately after the neck is cut. Veteran slaughterhouse inspectors have described that practice as horrifically painful. Also, any cattle that survive the initial cut will be stunned to ensure they lose consciousness quickly. (Animals handled in this way will not be sold as kosher.)

Other changes also may be in the works. The U.S. Department of Agriculture sent a team this month to investigate the plant — including the work of its own inspectors, who are supposed to monitor animal welfare as well as meat safety.

Meanwhile, two big Agriprocessors customers, supermarket chains Albertsons and Safeway, have asked the slaughterhouse to accept surprise inspections from independent animal welfare experts. And some Jewish leaders intend to push for a rethinking of kosher certification laws across the industry. Calling for rabbinical inspections on farms and ranches, they argue that "kosher" should mean an animal has been treated humanely while alive, not just at the moment of death.

"We really ought to check," Dorff said. "This is a very important issue."

To some loyal customers, any change is unnecessary.

Mike Engleman distributes a million pounds of Agriprocessors beef annually through Doheny Kosher Meat Market on Pico Boulevard. He visits the Postville plant twice a year and says he has always been impressed.

"They do a great job serving the Jewish community," Engleman said.

"The PETA people sent me a tape," he added. "I threw it in the garbage."

Times staff writer Patricia Ward Biederman in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times

Comments

[Lump Rutherford]

"The animals appear to be in agony," Rabbi Joel Rembaum recently wrote his congregation at Temple Beth Am in Los Angeles. "The meat that comes from there is not kosher."

A Reform 'rabbi' saying that kosher meat is not kosher. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Lumpy's Right]

In other news, Saddam Hussein had many rape rooms and torture chambers. His victims (unlike the animals shown) suffered excruciating pain by having various parts of their anatomy cut off. The LA Times and PETA are both worried about the animals, but did not give a rip about the human suffering. LA Times and Liberals in general declare the war a "MISERABLE FAILURE."

[Josh]

The only people supporting peta are Jews who don't keep Torah-Mitzvos, not out of ignorance, but out of choice.

CRC is again another very credible organization. I believe they are one of the 12 certifying Rubashkins. It's good to see they have been willing to come out and say "this is the way G-d wants things done"

[Josh]

"The PETA people sent me a tape," he added. "I threw it in the garbage."

hahahaha, good job!

[Camp Runamok]

Lump,

Actually, Rembaum says in his letter to congregants that Rub. meat is technically kosher and that one will not "tref up" his kitchen by using it. See Avi's site.

http://amechad.blogspot.com/2004/12/joel-rembaums-statement-on-kosher.html

He just won't allow it into the temple kitchen. So, in typical Conservative (not Reform) custom, what is called for is mere symbolic action. Nothing substantive.

[Lumpy Rutherford]

Actually, Rembaum says in his letter to congregants that Rub. meat is technically kosher and that one will not "tref up" his kitchen by using it.

Whew! What a relief!

[Stephen Mendelsohn]

BS"D

Rabbi Fishbane:

Did they really use the Facoima/Weinberg rotating pen in the Beit ha-Mikdash, as your statement implies? Did G-d really order us to use what another commentator has called AgriProcessors Wheel of Death? Even on the chag of Sukkot when our ancestors slaughtered all those extra bulls (70) and lambs (98) as part of the mussaf offering of the holiday, we never had this assembly line slaughtering we see so clearly on the PETA video, with an animal being shechted every other minute or so. Were the kohanim subject to the same pressure to make a profit? And did they rip out thew tracheas and esophagi and let them dangle as we saw in the video? To compare Rubashkin's to the Beit ha-Mikdash would appear to be the height of absurdity.

[D Brand]

Stephen Mendelsohn,

Take a look at the Mishnayos in P'sachim. There was such an abundance of blood from the shechita of all of the Korbanos that a river/stream was routed through the Bais Hamikdosh in order to clear the blood. And that was on just one shift.

[Josh]

Which mishneh?

[joe]

People its a slaughterhouse obviously its not going to look pretty.

[D Brand]

For the procedure of the shechita and a reference to the amount of blood there, see the fifth Perek, starting with the fifth mishna to the end of the Perek. Forgot the source of the water source. Will have to look it up

[Alan Scott]

They're slaughtering animals, of Course there's going to be blood! But there's no evidence (and God forbid) our holy anscestors were as greedy and lacking any sense of humility or tsa'ar ba'alei chayim as the Rubashkins folk.
Stephen Mendelsohn said it right. Rubashkins is no Bet haMikdash - in the Temple they actually cared about other mitzvahs than technical shechitah for a dollar.